Tuesday, October 28, 2008

EXCUSE ME WHAT DO YOU FOLKS NOT UNDERSTAND?

Barack Obama's birth certificate issue has been all over the internet. Even a couple of adoptee bloggers have commented on it. Everyone wants the hospital version of his original birth certificate. Uhmm guess what? You ain't gonna get it.

First off what are Hawaii's laws on birth certificates? Second lets add in the factor that there may have been some adoption related issues with that birth certificate.

According to the vital statistics code on birth certificates:

"Vital records (birth, death, marriage, and divorce certificates) for events that occurred in Hawaii are received and preserved by the Office of Health Status Monitoring, a unit of the Department of Health. In Hawaii, access to vital records is restricted by statute (HRS §338-18).

Certified copies of these records may be issued to authorized individuals and used for such diverse purposes as school entry, passports, Social Security participation, driver’s licenses, employment, sports participation, survivor’s benefits, proof of property rights, and other needs."

Who may apply for those records?

  • the registrant (the person whom the record is concerned with);
  • the registrant’s spouse;
  • the registrant’s parent(s);
  • a descendant of the registrant (e.g., a child or grandchild);
  • a person having a common ancestor with the registrant (e.g., a sibling, grandparent, aunt/uncle, or cousin);
  • a legal guardian of the registrant;
  • a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;
  • a personal representative of the registrant’s estate;
  • a person whose right to obtain a copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;
  • adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child’s natural or legal parents;
  • a person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse in order to determine the payment of alimony;
  • a person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and
  • a person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy.

If you are not able to establish a direct and tangible interest in the record, you are ineligible and will not be issued a certified copy of the record.

Guess what? The press is not eligible to have access to that document. It is against the law to have access to that document when you are not Barack Obama or any member of his family. Vital statistics in Hawaii states that birth certificates are sealed for 75 years. Lets take this further. Lets look at Hawaii's adoption laws concerning access to the original birth certificate.

According to Bastard Nation's website:

Pre-1991, if there is a waiver of confidentiality on file adoptees may obtain their records. If there is no waiver, the adoptee may request an intermediary to obtain a waiver from the birthparent. The intermediary has 120 days to complete a search. If the birthparent is not found, records are released to the adoptee. Post-1991 adoptees, if no disclosure veto is on file, the records are released at age 18. Same provisions for birthparents seeking identifying information and records about the adoptee. Birthparents may also obtain original birth certificates of their children."

If Barack was adopted by his step father, guess what? Those records are sealed. If his father is in Kenya, guess what? He probably can't get access to it himself. He sure as hell is not going to be able to get a judge to open it up for him. Most judges like to keep those records sealed. They are going to keep them even more sealed when it comes to the press. Ask the Indy Star when they tried to access adoption documents of a set of twins. They could not get access. Neither should all of these other fools. If you have an issue with sealed records, why don't you join the fight in letting adoptees and their families have access to their documents? Adoptees too are having issues with getting passports and even the opportunity to vote in certain states where they have to prove their citizenship.

As one adoptee said, I got your birth certificate right here you idiot.




2 comments:

Anonymous said...

I missed this, Amyadoptee. But was led here after following a suggestion I read about the Obama birth certificate controversy on another blog:
http://texashillblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/was-barack-obama-adopted-by-soetoro-how-does-this-affect-citizenship/

What you say here is right on target about adoption and amended and seald sealed birth certificates. This is one issue at the heart of adoption law, and, now it is at the heart of our President-elect's ability to stand up and be counted as one of us.

IF Mr. Obama was adopted, come clean and tell us. Present all the documents you have. No shame in admitting that you may not have access to your own birth and adoption records.

But if you do have access to your records, Mr. Obama, don't let us down. Either way, tell the truth.

Sorry, Ihave to sign in as annon because I can't recall my password!

Joan Wheeler
who was born as
Doris Sippel

http://forbiddenfamilyfoundadoptee.blogspot.com/

KITE KAMP GIRL said...

I am sure the Election Commission has already vetted him on this issue. He would not have been allowed to run otherwise.

The next issue is that he has posted his birth certificate already online.

My amended certificate has the same amount of information on it as his birth certificate does. Indiana doesn't allow people access to the long forms of their birth certificates. Quite a few states are that way.

I believe that his birth certificate is real. Its been verified by the Hawaii Vital Statistics Registrar. All of these court cases are going to fail because the law is very explicit on who has access to it. The press and all of these other goofballs filing lawsuits are not allowed access.

Its not just Republicans that are doing this. Berg is a longtime democrat. He wanted Hilary to win. It seems to me that people have lost their minds with this issue.